Pro or Con?
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Boim Lebon said
Pro:
Pro:
i agree with this statement. . islam not something that at daunt or paranoid. islam teaches peacefulness not battle, but why in this time islam image always equated with terrorist? ? follow me this matter is caused because frame society formed moment tragedy wtc or balinese bomb, where is rumors that bloom at international society islam = terrorist. . . . and islam prefers violence road in the efforts opposes western nations hegemony. pattern thinks formed at society hits islam in this time wrong.
sent on: 2008 Mei 26 19:18
P`cunk`s said
Contra:
sent on: 2008 Mei 26 19:18
Ngupil itu Indah said
Contra:
I don’t agree with Boim Lebon’s statement. We indeed should have this paranoid toward Islam. Why? This is why..!!
Rebuttal:
Of all religion followers in this world, which one do you think that has the most frequent history of violence during (just) this century?
Of all religion followers in this world, which one do you think that would cut your head just because you draw a picture of a prophet?
Of all religion followers in this world, which one do you think that would explode a high explosive bomb in the middle of civilian crowd? Just because the idealistic governmental system that they demand (which is Chaleefaa) is not applied in that country?
The list of these questions could continue to no end. And I’m sure you know which religion that I mean here.
From these facts alone, it is so unavoidable that most of people in the world will have this paranoid toward Islam. Every time they have a meeting with a moslem or a particular group of moslem, every time they have this conversation with a moslem or a particular group of Moslem, they will have this fear of saying something or do something that could offend and trigger the anger of Moslem, which could spark a more violence riot of Moslem in the whole world.
In fact just by being an American or a European alone, even though you are just an innocent civilian, would be more than enough to create a prejudice in the Moslem mindset and thus could easily make everything that said or done by you could be indicated by Moslem as something that insulting their religion.
I’m not saying that all of Moslems are preferring violence way in solving something that they consider as an insult toward their religion. But I’m afraid I have to say that, some of them DO prefer violence way in solving such case. We know such Moslem group as a radical one. Even though the percentage of number of such groups is not much compared to the whole number of Moslem in the world, but their action are never small and without mercy. Even though we make a good relationship with the rest of Moslem in the world which (thanks God) choose a non-violence way, but still, we all well know that these radical groups won’t surely let anybody that based on their criteria as someone/some groups/some governments worth punished to have their daily life in peace.
The very fundamental reason of why we can not avoid to have this paranoid toward Islam:
It is true that western governments, especially U.S, its allies and Israel often conduct some provoking actions in the middle east that stimulates and increases the collective hatred of middle east people toward western countries. Action like some military attacks to some cities and countries in the middle east that killed a lot of military personnels and civilians in those cities or countries, it should be admitted that it is those military actions that actually make most of middle east Moslem hate western countries so much.
But still, revenge is not the way out, revenge like killing western civilians who are not even involved in the western military actions in the middle east (usually by exploding a bomb). Even though western military actions also killed a lot of innocent civilians in the middle east, but if you kill innocent western civilians also, it makes you no different to that western military personnel who killed innocent civilians in the middle east.
There are still other way (like truce or diplomatic agreement) to create peace on both sides, and not by violence also that inevitably will create a never ending circle of killing and revenge.
So, yes, in the conclusion, as long as western governments still doing their provoking actions in the middle east that inevitably will planted a sickened hatred in the heart of every Moslem in the middle east toward western governments, we will still have to live our life (a little bit longer than we expected) in a paranoid toward Islam, especially to the radical one.
Thanks to the western governments, especially to U.S, its allies and Israel.
Now, we should have live our life with this paranoid toward Islam
sent on: 2008 Mei 26 23:31
Contra:
I don’t agree with Boim Lebon’s statement. We indeed should have this paranoid toward Islam. Why? This is why..!!
Rebuttal:
Of all religion followers in this world, which one do you think that has the most frequent history of violence during (just) this century?
Of all religion followers in this world, which one do you think that would cut your head just because you draw a picture of a prophet?
Of all religion followers in this world, which one do you think that would explode a high explosive bomb in the middle of civilian crowd? Just because the idealistic governmental system that they demand (which is Chaleefaa) is not applied in that country?
The list of these questions could continue to no end. And I’m sure you know which religion that I mean here.
From these facts alone, it is so unavoidable that most of people in the world will have this paranoid toward Islam. Every time they have a meeting with a moslem or a particular group of moslem, every time they have this conversation with a moslem or a particular group of Moslem, they will have this fear of saying something or do something that could offend and trigger the anger of Moslem, which could spark a more violence riot of Moslem in the whole world.
In fact just by being an American or a European alone, even though you are just an innocent civilian, would be more than enough to create a prejudice in the Moslem mindset and thus could easily make everything that said or done by you could be indicated by Moslem as something that insulting their religion.
I’m not saying that all of Moslems are preferring violence way in solving something that they consider as an insult toward their religion. But I’m afraid I have to say that, some of them DO prefer violence way in solving such case. We know such Moslem group as a radical one. Even though the percentage of number of such groups is not much compared to the whole number of Moslem in the world, but their action are never small and without mercy. Even though we make a good relationship with the rest of Moslem in the world which (thanks God) choose a non-violence way, but still, we all well know that these radical groups won’t surely let anybody that based on their criteria as someone/some groups/some governments worth punished to have their daily life in peace.
The very fundamental reason of why we can not avoid to have this paranoid toward Islam:
It is true that western governments, especially U.S, its allies and Israel often conduct some provoking actions in the middle east that stimulates and increases the collective hatred of middle east people toward western countries. Action like some military attacks to some cities and countries in the middle east that killed a lot of military personnels and civilians in those cities or countries, it should be admitted that it is those military actions that actually make most of middle east Moslem hate western countries so much.
But still, revenge is not the way out, revenge like killing western civilians who are not even involved in the western military actions in the middle east (usually by exploding a bomb). Even though western military actions also killed a lot of innocent civilians in the middle east, but if you kill innocent western civilians also, it makes you no different to that western military personnel who killed innocent civilians in the middle east.
There are still other way (like truce or diplomatic agreement) to create peace on both sides, and not by violence also that inevitably will create a never ending circle of killing and revenge.
So, yes, in the conclusion, as long as western governments still doing their provoking actions in the middle east that inevitably will planted a sickened hatred in the heart of every Moslem in the middle east toward western governments, we will still have to live our life (a little bit longer than we expected) in a paranoid toward Islam, especially to the radical one.
Thanks to the western governments, especially to U.S, its allies and Israel.
Now, we should have live our life with this paranoid toward Islam
sent on: 2008 Mei 26 23:31
P`cunk`s said
Contra:
The biggest mistake we could catch from the proposition side is their idea that "it`s ok if only half people is not radical" actualy I have an analogy here: Indonesian Airlines is less of maintenance which means will make more accidents than the other airlines.
yes, we know that not all planes in Indonesia i each flights is crashed. But, when a person is being offered, which one do you choose? Indonesian airlines (that is famous of the accidents) or Singaporian airlines (which never get any accidents since 1988), of course he will choose the singaporians!! B`coz of what? he saw which one is more reliable.
The thing is, if not all moslem is radical, doesn`t mean that all moslem is not radical, there is STILL many radical moslem that makes paranoid
2nd, we are not talking that Islam was really holy or just said really fine, YES, we already know it as we live in Indonesia that have bunch of Moslem faith. But It`s about how people all-around the world see moslem, just say that "What do you heard is what you get". People around the world have seen the moslem in the "radical side" which makes a paradigm that "Islam is Bad" (even it doesn`t mean that Islam is really bad) and this paradigm will takes apart in people`s mind that that what we called paranoid
I raise my case
sent on: 2008 Juni 12 02:09
yes, we know that not all planes in Indonesia i each flights is crashed. But, when a person is being offered, which one do you choose? Indonesian airlines (that is famous of the accidents) or Singaporian airlines (which never get any accidents since 1988), of course he will choose the singaporians!! B`coz of what? he saw which one is more reliable.
The thing is, if not all moslem is radical, doesn`t mean that all moslem is not radical, there is STILL many radical moslem that makes paranoid
2nd, we are not talking that Islam was really holy or just said really fine, YES, we already know it as we live in Indonesia that have bunch of Moslem faith. But It`s about how people all-around the world see moslem, just say that "What do you heard is what you get". People around the world have seen the moslem in the "radical side" which makes a paradigm that "Islam is Bad" (even it doesn`t mean that Islam is really bad) and this paradigm will takes apart in people`s mind that that what we called paranoid
I raise my case
sent on: 2008 Juni 12 02:09
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i agree with this statement. . islam not something that at daunt or paranoid. islam teaches peacefulness not battle, but why in this time islam image always equated with terrorist? ? follow me this matter is caused because frame society formed moment tragedy wtc or balinese bomb, where is rumors that bloom at international society islam = terrorist. . . . and islam prefers violence road in the efforts opposes western nations hegemony. pattern thinks formed at society hits islam in this time wrong.
Con:
I don’t agree with Boim Lebon’s statement. We indeed should have this paranoid toward Islam. Why? This is why..!!
Rebuttal:
Of all religion followers in this world, which one do you think that has the most frequent history of violence during (just) this century?
Of all religion followers in this world, which one do you think that would cut your head just because you draw a picture of a prophet?
Of all religion followers in this world, which one do you think that would explode a high explosive bomb in the middle of civilian crowd? Just because the idealistic governmental system that they demand (which is Chaleefaa) is not applied in that country?
The list of these questions could continue to no end. And I’m sure you know which religion that I mean here.
From these facts alone, it is so unavoidable that most of people in the world will have this paranoid toward Islam. Every time they have a meeting with a moslem or a particular group of moslem, every time they have this conversation with a moslem or a particular group of Moslem, they will have this fear of saying something or do something that could offend and trigger the anger of Moslem, which could spark a more violence riot of Moslem in the whole world.
In fact just by being an American or a European alone, even though you are just an innocent civilian, would be more than enough to create a prejudice in the Moslem mindset and thus could easily make everything that said or done by you could be indicated by Moslem as something that insulting their religion.
I’m not saying that all of Moslems are preferring violence way in solving something that they consider as an insult toward their religion. But I’m afraid I have to say that, some of them DO prefer violence way in solving such case. We know such Moslem group as a radical one. Even though the percentage of number of such groups is not much compared to the whole number of Moslem in the world, but their action are never small and without mercy. Even though we make a good relationship with the rest of Moslem in the world which (thanks God) choose a non-violence way, but still, we all well know that these radical groups won’t surely let anybody that based on their criteria as someone/some groups/some governments worth punished to have their daily life in peace.
The very fundamental reason of why we can not avoid to have this paranoid toward Islam:
It is true that western governments, especially U.S, its allies and Israel often conduct some provoking actions in the middle east that stimulates and increases the collective hatred of middle east people toward western countries. Action like some military attacks to some cities and countries in the middle east that killed a lot of military personnels and civilians in those cities or countries, it should be admitted that it is those military actions that actually make most of middle east Moslem hate western countries so much.
But still, revenge is not the way out, revenge like killing western civilians who are not even involved in the western military actions in the middle east (usually by exploding a bomb). Even though western military actions also killed a lot of innocent civilians in the middle east, but if you kill innocent western civilians also, it makes you no different to that western military personnel who killed innocent civilians in the middle east.
There are still other way (like truce or diplomatic agreement) to create peace on both sides, and not by violence also that inevitably will create a never ending circle of killing and revenge.
So, yes, in the conclusion, as long as western governments still doing their provoking actions in the middle east that inevitably will planted a sickened hatred in the heart of every Moslem in the middle east toward western governments, we will still have to live our life (a little bit longer than we expected) in a paranoid toward Islam, especially to the radical one.
Thanks to the western governments, especially to U.S, its allies and Israel.
Now, we should have live our life with this paranoid toward Islam
difference that opinion is usually, depending perception each in receive a phenomenon. but not all islams is radical. we thank you for his opinion
Con:
The biggest mistake we could catch from the proposition side is their idea that "it`s ok if only half people is not radical" actualy I have an analogy here: Indonesian Airlines is less of maintenance which means will make more accidents than the other airlines.
yes, we know that not all planes in Indonesia i each flights is crashed. But, when a person is being offered, which one do you choose? Indonesian airlines (that is famous of the accidents) or Singaporian airlines (which never get any accidents since 1988), of course he will choose the singaporians!! B`coz of what? he saw which one is more reiable.
The thing is, if not all moslem is radical, doesn`t mean that all moslem is not radical, there is STILL many radical moslem that makes paranoid
2nd, we are not talking that Islam was really holy or just said really fine, YES, we already know it as we live in Indonesia that have bunch of Moslem faith. But It`s about how people all-around the world see moslem, just say that "What do you heard is what you get". People around the world have seen the moslem in the "radical side" which makes a paradigm that "Islam is Bad" (even it doesn`t mean that Islam is really bad) and this paradigm will ttakes apart in people`s mind that that what we called paranoid
I raise my case
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